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Promote Other Poets
I think this should be an outlet for us to give honorable mention to the poets who have touched us personally on this site and give them recognition for what they have done for us in reading their work and maybe think them for what they have done. So if there is anyone you would like to mention here for doing good work or touching your soul mention their names here.
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CATZ77
ill start this off by saying you have inspired my with your poetry and friendship to live every day as a new day and your words have touched my heart and my soul. you write in such a way that your words leap off the screen and slap me in the face but sometimes its good to get a good slap ya know. well i think people should check out your work. thanks for being a friend.
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Anyone can learn to understand poetry. It's really not that hard.
First, I think you should understand most poets don't go around deliberately hiding meanings. (Perhaps T.S, Eliot and Ezra Pound are exceptions. The meanings are there for all of us to see.
Second, here's what you have to do. Take a fairly short and fairly simple poem like Robert Frost's The Road Not Taken. Read it over and over again. With a pencil mark the rhyme scheme--just so you know what it is. Do the same with the meter and such other devices of sound as alliteration and assonance.
Now start looking for images. What are the images you see in the poem. These are not necessarily symbols, just references to what you perceive with your five senses. The two roads. The leaves on top of the roads. But, in my opinion I would advice you to consider visual poetry which is a network for poets to make their work handled with a touch of creativity. There are members there who add a magical touch, which is motion graphics, video, photography, paintings and other features that gives your poems a new look and a way to present itself with. I hope that you would love to see your poetry presented in the form of visualized poetry
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Last post's alternate title: How to Murder a Poem.
- A
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Bah, if your poem needs visual aid to be clear, then it was pointless writing it in the first place. All images and photo integration do is detract from the poem itself.
A good piece of writing will be clearer and more honest than any photo you will ever see or take.
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Amen to that. A photo can be a powerful thing, but a photo is a photo, a poem is a poem. Poetry should never have to lean on another artform just to survive. It's as powerful a form of expression as it ever was, and (I believe) a more powerful tool than any poet, alive or dead, has been able to fully realize. It will likely remain so forever. But there's no harm in trying!
- A
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I do not think that a poem needs to be presented with any image to help it along but when the picture is what prompted the poem what is wrong with having the two together..... I guess this means all of my poetry is bad or not poetry at all then huh?
Michelle
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Oh hell I forget I do not belong to the elite of elite here at ypdc even though I have been here for years............
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Damn I forget....... there are only a small handful here that are the perfect writers and everyone else just sucks and cannot write a decent poem if they tried...... yea heard that crap all before and god what a bunch of crap it is!
MICHELLE
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There's an elite here?
Tell me where, I wanna join.
- A
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I agree with Michelle, if a poem is inspired by an image or a vision, I don't see the harm in showing it. Perhaps it even should be part of the presentation; why should something be hidden?
All in all though, if I come across a poem with an image attatched, I will never put it down because of it. It doesn't have to defract from anything, it shows another side of the poets vision for that poem. On top of that, I do not consider that any poem should be called 'pointless'. Ever.
Try to remember that sometimes images are attatched to poems for a reason, and can and should be seen as part of the expression. Don't presume to know why a poet does anything. The poem belongs to them, not you, and they can do what they want. Try to have a bit more of an open mind. That might help, on a site like this.
Phil xxx
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Phill,
you said this so well. I think anyone who writes, if it is poetry or short stories or just a journal it is the art that goes with it.
Writers by nature tend to be on an art driven side, photo's, painting, drawing. Not all but most.
I came across a bit bitchy the other night ( because I am) just simply due to the fact it seems these days least in my world that there are people who like to cut down and be critical a bit to often. If they do not understand a person who has an artistic side to them, a person who likes to play and have fun they are so ignorant and mean. This thread just hit me wrong. So I blew off my mouth. Yes I am good at that some times.
There are many great and talented poets here at this site and not one of them have the exact same style of writing. A poet is like a snowflake or a thumb print no two alike. That is what makes us special.
You and Andrew are both among those I consider very talented and awesome poets!! I may be a bitch but I give credit where it is due!
It is about the person as an individual, their taste, style and of course their own dream of things. Thats all I was trying to say.
Nobody has a right to put down another persons life mission, dreams, goals or writing, it is their nut and in time the small nut grows into a large tree.
huga
Shall
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Poetry is art and art finds it's inspiration in many avenues.
There is no "elite" class of poets here, we're all aspiring elites. (Anndra...get the shotgun and get to Wort Wort Wort.)
Having said this, I'm going to drag this thread back to where I think it was meant to go....
I'm able to write a lot of things, but Haiku is not one of them. I do however enjoy reading these short pieces, and the poet Mars most recently caught my attention with the poem Crystal Teardrop.
Check it.
Be well,
~d
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Shelby,
Being inspired by a photo or painting, writing about it, and then showing the picture along with the poem is vastly different than relying on a painting or photo to enhance your work.
It's not even necessarily a bad thing to do the latter, but it shows a lack of confidence on the writers part...
I have seen the poems you've posted with pictures (unless I'm mistaking you for someone else), and in no way have i ever found that distasteful.
The music on the other hand--i think i've mentioned this before--unnerves me. It's a personal opinion of course, and does not reflect poorly on you, but I don't like it.
On a side note: I've written many, many pieces based off of Dali's Impressions d'Afrique.
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You know what I like about poetry, well if you dont want to read why, better stop know coz I'm going to tell you why....lol
I find it interesting because everyone has there own style, so if someone has a picture attached to the poem in their format than that particular picture is part of the poem .
I dont really stick any form or style, I just write what's going through my mind or what inspires me at the time. So if one day a picture inspires me than why not show it so the person
reading it gets the same emotion you had while writing it.
I will never judge a person who writes anything, if you do this I consider you very shallow. You have to find the meaning beyond the font. Thats why to me there is no such thing as a bad poem. Whether you like it or not
who are you to judge?
"The simplest of words,
Can turn the shallowest of waters
into the deepest of oceans."
~Bin~
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There are such things as bad poems! Many of them! I can attest to that, because I do the writing of a lot of them. And I am myself to judge, that's who: the reader, who has been given, whether you like it or not, the right to judge what he reads from time immemorial. Everyone knows the reader judges - listen to any writer or group of writers talking about craft; you have to do this or that, present this, not present that, in order to keep the reader on your side. Fact is, someone is doing you a very great and kind service in reading your poem. The trade-off is where they have the right to utter their opinion of what they've read. So why don't we all consider climbing down from our towers, putting aside all this silly defensiveness and allowing people to say whatever they want about our writing? No right to judge, my foot.
See, there's an uneasy union in poetry: the desire to write for people to read, and the desire to write purely for self. The two just don't mix harmoniously, no matter what you do. You have to give up some of your indiviuality, your druthers, to write for other people to read. On the other hand, if you write just for yourself, unless you're some sort of genius, you're going to write stuff that very few other people will want to keep reading. Then again, juxtaposition is one of the writer's best tools, and if you can meld these two into some successful alloy where each not only tolerates the other, but obtains a spark and energy from it, then (only then) can you really consider yourself a poet. Which is why I refer to myself (with self-deprecation) as "the poet-type", not "a poet".
I'm tired of insecure and artistically immature writers of poetry hiding behind some crock of finding worth in their every poetic utterance, when they should just open up and say "I'm not very good yet!". And, show about a tenth of what they do - some verse was never meant to be shown around, because its flaws are seldom apparent to the writer when his emotions are still connected with it at all, which means it can take years to realize how much of a stinker some fondly-thought-of piece of verse is. Believe me, I know. I've done so.
Poetry doesn't just flow out naturally. Oh, it flows out of nature, all the time, because nature is a work of far more magnitude than any human artist will ever come close to. But it doesn't flow out of us, at least not when we expect it to. In order to make that poetry really happen, much is required, much time especially, and removal of self, all that defensive "no right to judge my poem" nonsense, in addition to learning the skill of the craft. If you want beauty to just flow out of that pen, you have to get your own ugliness out of the way, so the beauty in you (surprise: not the traits or features that you think!) can work.
- A
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I never said .. I don't judge myself. We are our own worse critics. I said I don't judge other people's work. But I will agree people will always judge others writing, just like anything in life. I'm just not a critic by nature. But I still believe if someone takes the time to pencil their thoughts , we should keep judgments to ourselves whether its bad, because to them it might be meaningful.
Anyways I'm done on this topic...lol
Ur right Mr poet.
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No reason to have a bad attitude. If you back down, was what you said important or not?
- A
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Hugs to you guys and Happy New Year a couple eve's early.
Poets who inspire me here there are many. Andrew and Phill being in the top of the list.
I could not name them all right now.
I will say the more I read of certain peoples work the more moved I am.
They capture the deepest meaning of poetry and really move me.
Sorry I am so tired........ I will write more next time I am on.
Hugs to all
Michelle
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While this is lovely (and not at all poetic--there is nothing as surgical, chaotic, and bloody as the deconstruction of a form of expression), I'm quite unaware as to what happened.
Recyclebin, you take a very different approach to expression than Andrew, and he didn't mean offense, nor should you have taken any. It's a very different thing to want to share you experiences in an artistic format and to want to share your artistic abilities through your experiences. Any poet or writer who brings themselves up to that second standard is recognizing a need for self-improvement, and taking themselves to a different level. It's one thing to make your work a private diary of some sort, and none of us have a right to judge you abilities for it; but when you post on a website where everyone else can see your contributions, it's a little unreasonable to assume we're all going to give you warm words and hearty (and frequently hollow) compliments. We can respect that you believe poetry to be a personal thing, but you seem to have an overwhelmingly (and mostly inaccurate) perception of judgment.
Who said judging another's poem would always end in misery? And since when was judging someone's poem disrespectful? Where you and we disagree is that (I, at least) view thoughtful criticism to be a far greater compliment than any "good work" or "great flow" or "awesome write." It's wonderful that you're naturally respectful and accepting of other's work; the way you sound like you judge others, who, ironically, judge the writing of others, on the other hand, will win you less favor in any writing community.
Now, onto all the poets I've read and enjoyed and probably subconsciously stolen from:
Neptunes_First
Vitreous Soul
ShadowDaughter (christ I feel old listing people who only we "elite" know now)
Snemmy!
Rakerman1999
Demetrius F P Stewart
Cancer
Wrybod (I have no idea if I got that name right)
Cora Windover
I think that's the full list...maybe. Names...not my strong point.
Oh, by the way, Andrew, the politically correct term for "bad poetry" is "good effort." *snickers*
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| Loende Wrote: : |
| Poetry is art and art finds it's inspiration in many avenues. There is no "elite" class of poets here, we're all aspiring elites. (Anndra...get the shotgun and get to Wort Wort Wort.) Having said this, I'm going to drag this thread back to where I think it was meant to go.... I'm able to write a lot of things, but Haiku is not one of them. I do however enjoy reading these short pieces, and the poet Mars most recently caught my attention with the poem Crystal Teardrop. Check it. Be well, ~d |
Speaking of Haiku, I wish I could remember the title but I can't. Silent-No-More did what I call an amazing thing. She did a poem with several stanzas, all in Haiku. Awesome. She has like 200 poems though so I could not find it today. So, I recommend (Promote) reading all of her poems. I don't think you'll be sorry. I will see if I can find it though and post the link.
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Now I am thinking my memory is faulty. I have spent a good deal of time trying to find the Haiku poem I mentioned and have been unsuccessful. Poo-poo. Sorry.
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I love haiku but I am unable to write it either. I have big brain fart in that department. Of course these days I seem to have the ongoing problem of a brain fart...... I have many word floating and lots of feeling deep within my soul right now but it gets lost in the translation.
It may be to much going on at once??
Michelle
who is only able to scratch surface........
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Shelby, it's true that having a lot going on can keep one from being able to get it down on paper. But I think one reason for it, and probably not something you'd expect, is that having a lot you want to say is not a good mental attitude to go into writing a poem. I myself used to think that was the natural mindset to have for poetry, but in my experience and the experiences of some well-known and respected poets as well, that's not the case. To write good poetry our minds need to be quieted, pulled away from our own problems and everything we filter through our conciousness, as we make an unconcious habit of interpreting it all as to how it affects us. Not good for making poetry - as I sort of said earlier here, our self-focus doesn't make for poetry that anyone else would want to read.
I finished a great book on this, called The Art of Attention: The Poet's Eye by a poet, Donald Revell. His main point is that attention to the world around us, outside us, is the prerequisite for good poetry; a giving up of ourselves, because what is around us is poetry. We can relate it to ourselves, that is what makes poetry human, but to start with we must give it all up (very like surrender to God - the author makes a good argument for poetry being a religious experience), and take in what is around us, make it more important than ourselves. It's a good book. Not light reading, but very poetic and of great depth.
- A
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Andrew,
you know this makes total sense. My mind is like a blender of late( way to much) and that does not happen often.
When it does though is when I feel I need to write but it never comes out right...... The other night I just sat down and wrote words on paper and that did make me a bit more quiet.
I will try that, because I do observe a lot, I am always watching, nature is my heaven and earth mixed together lol.
Sorry I am tired again, had two hours sleep and a bit distressed tonight.
I will also look for the book and get it first chance I get. Thanks so much Andrew, you have not only helped a ton but also made me feel better!! Thanks and thanks. You are the best my friend!
Michelle