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Most Read/Least read poems
Hey I just can't help but notice that most/least read poems that are on the side of the page when you click on a poem...and if anything, I only see one of them change, which is the least read, and the most read never changes for obvious reasons. I was just wondering what the point was to this part because it doesn't really serve much of a purpose if it doesn't open you up to that many different poems, and it's not at all likely that one day one of those most read poems will change, because they've got such a huge head start and stuff. Maybe they could be removed or changed to display random poems or something, that way you can see more different poems of the same genre and whatnot.
Weird suggestion? It sounded better in my head...
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its an honor to those with the most read, and with the least read, i find they are least read for a reason for 70 percent of the time.
another try marc,
Jennifer
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just so everyone knows, marc started this thread to not see as the moonlight becomes her and cant promise anymore on the side of the page. =]
Jennifer
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^^LMAO!^^
Ahhh Jen! I've missed your wit in the forums...
Scorp.
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| Essentially9 Wrote: : |
| just so everyone knows, marc started this thread to not see as the moonlight becomes her and cant promise anymore on the side of the page. =] Jennifer |
lol!
Thank you CNN for that important information
*awaits to see Jen standing in the middle of 100 mph winds reporting the news in the near future*
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....... well i think this thread might have gotten more attention elsewhere marc. but i guess you just need to refine some of your idea a bit first.
now back to the studio, this was jennifer with CNN
::clutches railing as 5 mile per hour winds come her way:: =]
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I think maybe it would be better if we put the 100 Most Read and Least Read Recently Added Poems in those spots, because they change all the time. (Every 14 days)
And that way, more active poets' posts get read.
I mean...this list:
http://www.your-poetry.com/modules.php?name=Top&file=toprecreadpoem
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do you actually mean the list of 100 there, or do you mean just the link there? because if its a list that adds quite an eyesore and adds probably to the loading time of the page and whatnot. i dont really care for any changes, because ive given up on this site being any better than it is now reading wise. the most read dont need to be blaring everywhere, because they need no more help in being read, the least read are the ones that always have the problem, and there is the section for that that actually is accessible to people without that link. those poems do take a long time to filter in there though. but its ridiculous to have poems with over a thousand reads and then some posts that go down the homepage with 2.
Jennifer
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dont=doesnt.....pesky little books that im forced to read with dialects in them. just perfect for the upcoming SAT.
Jennifer
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I don't mean the whole list, no.
I mean, the most read poem and least read poem, can be shown, the same as they are now, except this means it the more recently posted poems, instead.
I get what I mean...
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that would be a good idea and easy to manage i suppose.
Jennifer
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I agree with Essentially_9 I read off the least read poem list almost everyday i am on the site. I think if people are mor pro-active more people would get read. If a poem gets only a few reads or comments i notice the same names of readers on their poems. I hope one day that my name is among theirs. I am making a list of those names and going to post them in a foum because to me they are the ones who care the most about the site. Your name is one of them Jennifer. thank you for giving me someone to immitate.
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I'm glad someone raised this question, as I've been thinking the same for a while. I have no problem with the least-read poem being there, but the fact that the most-read poem in that catagory will always have a link accessible, while any competition will be buried with the sands of time, appearing only on the user's page or some acient archive, is not right. Often the most-read poems aren't even particularly good, just aquired a slight lead which the most-read catagory link cements in place.
Perhaps we might announce the most-read and least-read poem in catagory's title and author, but not post a link to the poem. That way the author could still get recognition, but not an unfair advantage.
Andrew
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Perhaps we might announce the most-read and least-read poem in catagory's title and author, but not post a link to the poem. That way the author could still get recognition, but not an unfair advantage. |
That would be an unfair promotion of certain poets' collections, where there aren't any discriminations in place at the moment. Also, some of those poems with 'most read' are by members that have long since disappeared, so the recognition factor would be meaningless.
The 'most read' category is redundant, on the whole. It is populated by poems that consistently get read by newbies and guests upon their first visit to the site, under the false impression that these are currently the most popular, when in fact they were only really popular several years ago, when there was a much smaller, more concentrated group of readers, and thus, a much greater focus on certain poems as there wasn't that much to choose from anyway.
I say run it through with a red hot skewer. It makes sense to only give credence to the 30 least read within every page request. That way, every poem gets a fair share of the reads, and cannot hog the limelight unfairly.
N_F
*thinks Mick's "Can't Promise" attracts an obscene amount of attention away from more deserving poems*
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Yeah, like this one--
I found this timeless masterpiece preserved in the Top 50 poems with over 1500 reads...
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| Loser standing behind me in line Decided to talk some ***** to pass the time Wanted to be a bully So I hit him with one knee In the chest Now he's bleeding internally Should have worn a vest Stupid punk, still think You can kick my **s? I'll toss you out a closed window And cut you with the broken glass! Looked at his friend Said "You wanna test me?" I got no problem capping you With my M-16! Yeah, I'm a soldier Chairborne Infantry! You should've known that Before you decided to mess with me! Now you're on the ground Bleedin' and ***** You say you're sorry now But I don't believe it NOT FOR A SECOND! Still want to mess with me? No- I didn't think so! Let that be your lesson learned Mess with me-and you end up getting served. |
Yo, that was so ill, gee.
The mac daddy gangsta who wrote that joint ain't been on the Y-to-tha-P-to-tha-C for a long time,
but luckily for ya'll homeboys here now it is safely enshrined up in this mother,
the Top 100! Yo!
Word.
--Ghosty
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*laughs*
Yep. this is an example of the beautiful poems that recieve the most reads.
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| Archie Wrote: : |
| I'm not even gonna try to touch that one. Here is the point that i am trying to make. "No matter what links the site puts in place it is still up to the indivisuals to use them". The least read poetry list is available where everyone can see it, no matter how many links we make to it if people don't use it the site is wasting it's money. The question is how to get people to read poetry; I know of atleast 10 people who do not meet the 3 to 1 poem to read ratio on the site that is what needs to be fixed. As an example I have a 14:1 read to post ratio but know of a writer who has a 1:14 read to post ratio and solicits reads without having to read poetry himself, when i see his poetry on the least read poetry list why should i leave a comment on it? (I don't even know who the poem is by until i click on it, which should also be fixed) The most and least poetry list is not the problem, people not reading poetry is the problem |
Good points, and those least read poems generally are the ones with a less than stellar comment:poem ratio. Maybe that too needs tweaking...
That always seems to be the problem that others tend to stem from.
There's gotta be some way to change things in this case, though. *is reminded of Nep's suggestion*
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i use a specific link every now and then, it takes me to all of the top and least listings of everything, and mothys example of a post even breaks site rules with not the entire bleeped word appearing there, where were all the mods?
i can not stand the people who do not comment. when i was actually involved in my own thread, i would try to never do someone that didnt even have a number close to their ratio. they deserve no recognition, because they do not bother to recognize. and ive gotten nasty PMs saying i dont respect poetry. it should be i dont respect their pathetic little 5 minute writes that dont even attempt to use the english language. its easy to see who didnt pay attention in english class or who just doesnt care. 50 percent of the poems on this site are posted by people that dont care, dont know english well enough to even master the apostrophe, and dont know when not to post something and work more on it. there are quotes, rants, repost after repost after repost, and writings not even their own. those take up 30 percent of the reads. once the garbage level on this site is contained then the members might have a shot at getting reads. i was all for the comment rule being enforced. i did not like the idea that the members caught up on the ratio should post more. i was not for the premium members posting more. these members took advantage of the system, to get their poems in the limelight. now its back to the way it was, and im sick of the garbage.
im all for the least read being featured prominantly, but not the garbage that goes with it. the garbage can be deleted, but even then someone calls it poetry (just the author).
Jennifer
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Even if the least read is a complete garbage bin, at least it gives a level playing field, in terms of attention. Instead of the top 100 all time most read, I suggest it simply be replaced with the fortnightly top 30.
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Looked at his friend Said "You wanna test me?" I got no problem capping you With my M-16! |
N_F
*Is all for red-hot-skewering anything that unimpresses him these days.*
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i think people take into account that numbers mean how good a poem is. for instance, some people probably never read a poem unless its a five, and well you have people that give poetry whatever rating without even stating any reason at all. some people just think the poems good concept wise and give it a 5, some people hate the rhyme scheme and rate it a 2. if i rate something, which is a rarity its on everything that i think is important for that particular piece. comments dont prove how good a poem is, neither do the reads. ive seen plenty of things in the least read that should have gotten more attention.
i do know one thing though, those please commentors need to actually come up with an interesting discription and quit begging, they make the site look like its full of desperate people. a lot of the poems that used to be in the least read (havent read anything anywhere on this site and a long time) was full of please comment, this is bad, or im not really happy with this in their discription. without even reading the poem i hate it. the person has the rest of their lives to post the poem when they are happy with it, and they would rather portray that part of themselves in a bad light. i see no point in it.
many of the writers here dont want criticism, and ive gotten to the point where i dont even bother saying they need to learn how to use spell check, because the nasty PMs are getting incredible. the writers write garbage, and dont even want any suggestions as to how to improve the garbage they write. they just write to waste their time, get emotions across, etc. i do the same things, and i take pride in my work. when i used to post, i never ever thought of posting a rough draft, but that seems to be popular here, and i dont support that, so i dont read anymore, because 80 percent of the homepage has a discription that makes me hate the poem without even reading it, i need not waste my time with something the writer didnt even care about.
(who thinks that to make this site on an even playing field remove the numbers. nothing tells the amount of reads or comments, etc.
Jennifer
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Part of this is from a post I made in the forum "Critisism"
I think this is an informal poetry writing site which is more like a community than a literary work of art. I do think it is good for writers to put time into their work but even the best work will still be below what is expected by the mainstream marketers of writing. I do not think that a person should just vent on the site, but if that helps them to not vent on other people or hurt themselves then this is a good outlet for them. I think that The poetry on this site should be commented on and not critiqued. That is just my opinion. There are four catagories of popular poetry on this site: 1- Those poems that are popular because people agree with what was said in the poem. It does not matter if the poem is written well it just matters if people agree with it, 2- Poems that get reads because of shock value, almost everyone who reads it hates it and that is the only reason they are commenting on it is to give it a low rating. (I have seen a lot of these including the poem Ghost moth showed us), 3- those poems which the writer is popular because of his or her participation on the site and 4- those poems which are well written. Most poems fall into catagory 1. Poems are rarely critiqued on this site. Opinions are given according to taste and not skill. I actually think that is okay. What is not okay is when writers do not show proper respect to each other or try to beat the site interaction rule which should be kept out of courtesy. Below I give my views on critiquing and commenting on poems. I think these issues cause a lot of disruption on the site because we expect people to meet are standards of writing even if they may not be able to. I do think there are poets who do not put enough time into their poetry but i also think there are some who will not reach a basic grammer or writing ability unless someone helps them. I also think a person has to want that before it can happen. The key issue though is what should our standard be. Here is my opinion and what i actually do on site 99% of the time.
What is a meaningful critique? My opinion is that if my critique makes the person look at their poem closer to make it read better that is a good critique. I also think I should send those critiques privately. On this site we leave "comments" on a poem. I don't qualify a comment as a critique because not every writer is looking for a critique on his or her poem. I think a writer should ask for a critique if he or she wants one. This site is informal and is more like a community than a center for literature. I don't always strive to post literary works of art when I post poetry here. I do expect critisism but not of the same nature that I would receive from a firm such as NSAI. I pay for a membership to NSAI ($125.00 a year for 12 songs). They send me feedback in the form of personalized voice critiques which I use to help me become a better lyric writer. None of the critiques I have received on site covers anything that NSAI covers as far as writing style or what I can improve. Comments are about personal taste not necessarily constructiveness. I think that we should be very careful to not combine the two, but to help a writer who asks for it if they think our style of writing is enjoyable to them. This is a touchy subject so i will be blunt here. "Someone asking me what they think of his/her poem is not necssarily that person asking for a critique. If you want a critique be prepared to hear the good and the bad about your poem. If you are giving a critique make sure to point out the good as well as the bad about a poem. If it is a bad writer ( limited or no skills) demonstrate to the writer how he or she could have done a better job using lines from the poem you are critiquing. Critiquing is not about being critical ( tearing the person's poem down and discouraging that person from writing ) it is showing and teaching that person what you know so that he or she can become a better writer. If you come into writing with a bad attitude you will not help anyone but cause bickering and fights. If you are a good writer do not be selfish with your skill and if you are a not so good writer, be willing to take some advice. Finally each person should respect the other. I write music because I have a huge respect for the musicians I listen to. I work hard at it and I listen when i get critiques from NSAI and others who speak honestly without being "critical". Participation is a two way street and so is respect."
I know I wrote a lot but I think it is all needed because there are many different opinions out there about poetry and poetry on this site. This could be a better site if we had more respect for each other. Many come on to this site with bad attitudes and they take it out on their poetry or their fellow poet. Many come wanting to prove how good they are. Many come just wanting to be heard. We write poetry that is our common thread, our backgrounds and beliefs are different our pursuits in life are different and our goals for writing are different, yet we write. Why not use our love of writing to help and not to hurt and tear down, to teach and not to discourage. I am thankful to many on this site who do that. I don't see myself as being all that good of a writer, I am glad to receive kind words of encouragement and give them to others as well in the hope that this will be a better community for the next writer who posts a poem here. I hope it is the same for whoever reads this.
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archie i read what you wrote it makes sense. very well worded .. *APPLAUSE** i actually agree with you on that
JENNITTUDE
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I would have to agree that the while the most read poem does deserve a place of honor, it should not exist eternally as such, owing this entirely to the fact that it is posted on the main page for MONTHS. And is it just me or does anyone else find it just a bit strange (but completely expected) that the most read poem happens to be penned by a site owner??? Just a thought.
Best Wishes,
Jackie
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Not a site owner, the site owner.
It's not his fault if people read his poems.
Have some respect please.
*hugs*
Phil xxx
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AND RELAX!!!!
Let's not get hot and bothered unless we're going
to be that way for more pleasant reasons, k?
(Just me being silly today.)
J.
Ps. This thread should remain closed until current
site "readjustments" are finished.
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*smiles*
We weren't arguing, Jules.
*giggles at the 'Pleasant reasons' part*
*hugs*
Me xxx
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This ties to one of Timebot's requests in the Site Help area (sorry, so much catching up to do, but it is there somewhere) re poem rankings. I think our community aspect (constructive critisism, ideas and peer availability) is more important than numbers. We have way to many types of poetry, stories and random text that a '5' is kinda meaningless.
Only an idea, but I am in favour of scraping the poem ranking/rating, as well as the top/least read poems.
It may take a little work, but like the forums (with the Buddy List), we could create (/me crosses my fingers) a 'Favourite Authors' list. Read a poem, like it? Click the button and add them to your list. Hopefully some sort of notification (prolly in your account page, where (I guess) you can manage your list) letting you know if they have posted a new poem.
As for least read poems, the page lostinmyself quoted could be highlighted on the frontpage or something?
Just more ideas for the mix - and apologies to those not used to my use of (). I seem to think that way...
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| dchalmers Wrote: : |
| It may take a little work, but like the forums (with the Buddy List), we could create (/me crosses my fingers) a 'Favourite Authors' list. Read a poem, like it? Click the button and add them to your list. Hopefully some sort of notification (prolly in your account page, where (I guess) you can manage your list) letting you know if they have posted a new poem. |
that sounds fantastic!
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I adore your username, Angel.
Much love,
Jackie
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YES!
*sighs happily*
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I too would be in favor of scrapping the most-read/least-read catagories, though, as for the most-read recently added list, I've used that to good effect. A glance at the numbers will tell you how active/inactive the site happens to be at the time (for instance, during a slump, many poems on the list get about 50 reads, whereas when things are humming, you'll see many in the 70's), and as I like to note my poems' reads to get an idea of whether the title, author's note, etc. was good enough to pull people in or not, the MRRA list lets me factor in the vagarities of the site in general.
As to a "favorite authors" list, I think that would be incredible, if possible. Better than the old idea of bookmarks, which was itself handy until mutilated by hackers.
Slàn.
Andrew
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| MoonlitAngel Wrote: : | ||
that sounds fantastic! |
AGREED!!!!!