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[aid] => Mick
[title] => Big Bang
[time] => 2003-06-04 14:05:00
[hometext] => This springs from a discussion on one of the forums
[bodytext] => A private message awaited me
from "Uncooked" May 30th.....a query
in rather superior tones it said,
"You can't believe in the Big Bang theory".
As a matter of fact I could and I did
quite smugly and sedately
but the question nagged and I started to think.......
(I've been wrong about a lot of things lately)
A series on the flight of birds
was on the telly' that night
it seemed to enhance "Uncooked's" words
perhaps he could be right.
The program showed in great detail
how specialised some feathers must be
and how wing bones and sinews achieved
the variable geometry
How on earth did feathers evolve
from reptiles to the bird scene?
Assumptions leap ten million years
no fossils in between?
Mutations in DNA occur
causing features to derange
but the built in tendency remains
species reject the change
When offspring are produced,
if one's not like the rest
it's simply not accepted
and chucked out of the nest.
You cross a horse with a donkey
OK you get a mule
but the mule can't reproduce itself
it's against the genetic rule.
If we claim that evolution works
by progressive linear mutations
then it can't have been by random hops
into dead end situations
So who or what is driving "the bus"?
Has the cosmos got a seat booked?
Don't ask me where it's going
All questions please, to "Uncooked"
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[informant] => wrybod
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[pollID] => 0
[score] => 18
[ratings] => 4
[editpoem] => 1
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Big Bang
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wrybod
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Wednesday, 4th June 2003 @ 02:05:00 PM in AEST
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A private message awaited me
from "Uncooked" May 30th.....a query
in rather superior tones it said,
"You can't believe in the Big Bang theory".
As a matter of fact I could and I did
quite smugly and sedately
but the question nagged and I started to think.......
(I've been wrong about a lot of things lately)
A series on the flight of birds
was on the telly' that night
it seemed to enhance "Uncooked's" words
perhaps he could be right.
The program showed in great detail
how specialised some feathers must be
and how wing bones and sinews achieved
the variable geometry
How on earth did feathers evolve
from reptiles to the bird scene?
Assumptions leap ten million years
no fossils in between?
Mutations in DNA occur
causing features to derange
but the built in tendency remains
species reject the change
When offspring are produced,
if one's not like the rest
it's simply not accepted
and chucked out of the nest.
You cross a horse with a donkey
OK you get a mule
but the mule can't reproduce itself
it's against the genetic rule.
If we claim that evolution works
by progressive linear mutations
then it can't have been by random hops
into dead end situations
So who or what is driving "the bus"?
Has the cosmos got a seat booked?
Don't ask me where it's going
All questions please, to "Uncooked"
Copyright ©
wrybod
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2003-06-04 14:05:00]
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Re: Big Bang
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by shelby on
Wednesday, 4th June 2003 @ 02:39:33 PM AEST
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I like this poem but Im not sure what is going on here?? How about a private pm and enlighten me before I say anymore. If we are on the subject of evolution no I dont believe that. My background religion I believe we were all created by God but thats my personal opinion of course and my belief. Im probally off base here so please a pm would be helpful.
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Re: Big Bang
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by Ilhar on
Wednesday, 4th June 2003 @ 03:06:59 PM AEST
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To say the world was put together by the big bang, a scattering of particles? Could you build a watch by throwing the pieces into the air and low and behold a watch just manages to evolve? No it takes a craftsman.
Maybe just maybe the universe also had a craftsman? Points to ponder.
Shari |
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Re: Big Bang
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by Wrybod on
Wednesday, 4th June 2003 @ 05:40:30 PM AEST
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To me it seems there is a "guiding force" at wortk and that the evolution of species is not
a purely chance affair.
Call the "guiding force" what you will, you are in no way "off base" Michelle. |
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Re: Big Bang
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by Wrybod on
Wednesday, 4th June 2003 @ 05:52:36 PM AEST
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My point exactly IIhar. Though "a craftsman?"in the sense of a He, she or it,
is perhaps too simple a concept.
The theory we are challenging here is that
evolution is entirely by random chance. |
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Re: Big Bang
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by Bizzy on
Wednesday, 4th June 2003 @ 10:58:06 PM AEST
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| Wonderful, Wrybod! Great work. Amusing and intriguing. I don't believe in the big bang theory, but I just love the way you expressed this! Hey, I voted you a 5!!! Your pal, Bizzy |
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Re: Big Bang
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by Wrybod on
Thursday, 5th June 2003 @ 01:47:13 AM AEST
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Gee thanks pal (as you say over there) fame at last! I think i was longer putting this one together than all the rest.
To be honest I don't know what to believe. |
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Re: Big Bang
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by venkat on
Thursday, 5th June 2003 @ 02:32:44 AM AEST
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| cross a horse with donkey and get a mule.. beautifully written.. I enjoyed it a lot.. venkat |
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Re: Big Bang
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by Wrybod on
Thursday, 5th June 2003 @ 03:17:26 AM AEST
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| Ven' the thing that gets me is, scientists are trying to concoct a story from a few "snap shots" taken millions of years apart |
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Re: Big Bang
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by DreamWeaver on
Thursday, 5th June 2003 @ 07:10:16 AM AEST
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| Love this! Must find that forum topic as this has always intrigued me. What about God creating the two atoms needed to start the Big Bang? Just a thought :) Jan |
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Re: Big Bang
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by Wrybod on
Thursday, 5th June 2003 @ 08:35:23 AM AEST
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OR was it the first big bang Jan? Why not the fifth or hundedth i.e. expansion until huge separation is achieved and energy exhausted, then gravity takes over and we get contraction until we get another big bang.
I think the forum topic was " Is there life on other worlds " but I can't be sure
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Re: Big Bang
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by starkindler on
Friday, 6th June 2003 @ 04:39:17 PM AEST
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Love the poem... It acknowledges so many things that I am really interested about.
But, can you help me out? Why "can" you not believe in the big bang?
Confused...as to why the big bang theory is so wrong!
*Starkindler*
P.S. And just to let everybody know, scientists a while ago have made evolution a fact....it's not just some stupid hypothesis anymore. (Did you know that as an embryo we had gills? Yeah...I was shocked by that.) The question is...What's the moving force behind evolution? Something more than chance? |
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Re: Big Bang
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by Wrybod on
Friday, 6th June 2003 @ 06:51:16 PM AEST
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I dont thik there is any dispute about th big bang. The poem starts with Uncooked's remark which was refering more to subsequent evolutionary events (sorry I didn't make this clear) So....starting from the universally accepted big bang......I origionally believed in in the random chance theory of evolution. But you don't have to think about it for long to realise that it just could not have happened like that. There must be ,as you say, a moving force with some sense of direction or destination however short term.
Yes I did know that the embryo goes through the whole evolutionary sequence of changes.
I should have brought that into the poem but it would have been more like writing a paper on the subject than a short divertisment.
Some of the work going on with DNA at the moment may throw more light on the subject.
Are there life forms millions of years ahead of us experimenting here. Are we a laboratory planet?????????
Perhaps we should transfer back to the forum. |
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Re: Big Bang
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by Rose on
Sunday, 8th June 2003 @ 06:00:42 PM AEST
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yes indeed, wonder myself at times how our nature has taken many turns at evolution, and then wonder how we will turn out!!! Wonderful write, and I enjoyed this. I feel more and more, our creator may have been more then we may have ever understand now, but in the future to behold, the tales of the past to now will there be a light..... yes, but for now, our minds are not at that comprehensive point of total understanding, just therorizing, and questioning, which is good, for when the that time comes in the future, all that will be put together and the human mind will evolve. Well, just some of my input of thought. Nice write and certainly enjoy the thoughts in this one.
AMber Rose :) |
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Re: Big Bang
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by Wrybod on
Sunday, 8th June 2003 @ 08:03:30 PM AEST
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What a coincidence!!!!! Here's me commenting on your "Journeys" at exactly the same moment as you are commenting on
my "Big bang"
Two minds with but a single thought
I'll try and back track over your other poems over the next few days but I feel we should try and keep our dialogue going. When I get to know you (your ideas) a little better I'll write you on the Private Messages. I have a feeling that we may surprise ourselves how far we can get. |
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by TFLM on
Sunday, 8th June 2003 @ 11:06:55 PM AEST
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| This made me smile for it's chirpy, humourous (or at least that's what I felt) style. PS It's always good to question yourself but I believe the evolutionists over the creationists. I would go into it further but this really isn't the place. Especially with strong views attached to religion from some people. |
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Re: Big Bang
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by Wrybod on
Monday, 9th June 2003 @ 02:45:50 AM AEST
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Yes the "chirpyness" was not to offend but I'm hoping to open a discussion (with Rose )on the forum shortly.
The "abuse of", manipulation and misapplication of religions by mankind
has a lot to answer for. Crusades, Inquisitions, subjugation of women, political
machinations,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you name it, we've done it!
Giving religion to us has been equivalent to handing a child a loaded gun. |
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Re: Big Bang
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by Rakerman1999 on
Wednesday, 11th June 2003 @ 12:56:22 PM AEST
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| I wont even get into the debate here..lol...I will tell you that this is a simply fantastic write!! Amusing..thought provoking...and as I can see from the comments left before me..quite a conversation stimulous.lol...I completely enjoyed this write my friend. Thank you :o) Larry |
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Re: Big Bang
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by Wrybod on
Wednesday, 11th June 2003 @ 03:12:21 PM AEST
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| Much appreciated Larry. I think there will be surprising developments in the next few decades after the "Century of Hell" we've just had. |
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Re: Big Bang
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by LadyDama on
Wednesday, 2nd July 2003 @ 03:47:19 AM AEST
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i agree, can't get into this
my thoughts on procreation are an abyss
but your tale here you've taught
a lesson of questions we all have bought...
i am pagan, if you have not yet guessed, so the big bang theory is not something i dismiss, totally... i do not believe in the christian god (oops, did i type that out loud?!), but, i am also VERY tolerant of others opinions... great write, dear wrybod... blessings... michele |
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Re: Big Bang
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by Wrybod on
Wednesday, 2nd July 2003 @ 03:55:28 PM AEST
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Michele, It would take me ages to get this into verse so just for once I''l duck it.
In a discussion on the forum I have just summed up my view on God more or less as.........OK as soon as we evolved sufficiently to start cooperating with eachother for our survival there had to be some rules and a leader. This leader did not need much authority, the tribe knew what it was trying to achieve and willingly cooperated.
Move on, enlarge the tribe, introduce more and more activities in other words civilsation.
With this comes dissent, disagreement and downright opposition. Now you need AUTHORITY. How you institute this in what form, call it God, King,Prophet, whatever
so long as you can convince the majority
then civilisation is achieved.
But God did not make it so. You made God |
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